And, you don’t think he should be punished worse.

I’m going to try a different approach here. Instead of asking you; “Would it be OK for an adult man to pursue and a have sex with an eleven year old? Or, an eight year old? At what point would your logic kick in, if at all, and you would think that something is wrong?”, like I did with deadtruth and, didn’t get an answer.

I’m going to ask you this….

Sarah, “Would it be OK for an adult man to pursue and a have sex with three children? Or, four children? At what point would your logic kick in, if at all, and you would think that he should be punished more than one month in jail?”

Firstly, the girl told him she was 19 and she had various tattoos and piercings, giving him no reason to question her being the age of which she stated herself to be.

Secondly, she has since admitted to various people that she has lied, and there are currently investigations being done to prove that much of what she said at the trial was untrue. In other words, she lied- a lot.

Not to mention, it was CONSENSUAL. For a long time prior to what had happened, Shesto had been getting messages from this girl who acquired a sudden “obsession” for him. Why she did, no one knows. Personally, I think she was just being a desperate 15 year old girl with raging hormones who thought having sex with an older person in a locally popular band would add to her own popularity standing. It was not at all something that he initiated.

Also, I don’t think it is fair of you to judge and condemn them for what you think of the Nailwounds’ myspace.
“I found this bit of irony, idiocy and poor spelling on Shesto’s, Nailwounds”

First of all, it is not Shesto who is primarily in charge of the myspace. And even so, there are people in the world who have learning difficulties when it comes to certain things. Did you ever think that maybe spelling and grammar just isn’t their forte? So what if they may have poor spelling and/or grammar. Their myspace isn’t about proper English, it’s merely there as a way of, more or less, contact to the remaining band members and friends.

Whether you care for the minimal selection of music on the Nailwounds’ myspace or not (I personally do not find it to be an accurate representation of what they did), Nailwounds used to be very popular in this area of Wisconsin where he is from. Since Shesto was convicted and such, he has mostly disappeared and obviously, in effect, his band has been forgotten by many. Although he has been convicted of these things, he is not a monster, nor a threat to society. Had you ever seen or spoken to him, you would not suspect that he would be in a band- he just isn’t a “loud” sort of person.

I agree with much (but not all) of what deadtruth said; And as I said before, Shesto did not initiate or come on to her first. She was the one who sought him out for one reason or another.

Everyone makes mistakes in their lives. His only mistake was having sex with someone he thought he knew better under poor circumstances (Shesto had been upset, and both were under the influence of alcohol- ANOTHER thing a 15 year old shouldn’t have been doing).

How was he supposed to know that the next day she would suddenly claim to be pregnant (although she had no proof of it, especially being because she wasn’t), tell her parents, and tell him that she wasn’t actually 19?

I don’t think you should be focusing so much on what HE apparently did. If SHE was so willing to do what she did with him, then that is her fault and I do not think he should be punished worse than he already has.

Sexual predators are the wolves cruising the perimeter of the herd waiting for stragglers. Little Red Riding Hood testifies about tricky pediphiles:

“Hey! And still many people around the world talk about virgins… Moslem’s on his Jihad looks for thirty or forty virgins after incinerating himself; Mohammed was a pediphile; wanton Catholics pray to virgins for intercession, Hefner preys upon them, and Buddhist… I don’t know, I think he took bowls of milk and rice-pudding from several virgin maidens. Greeks.. never mind,” says the wiser Red Riding Hood today.

“Moses talked about grass widows… Madonna exposes herself as quasi-virgin, and the web has Virgin copyrighted. Someone hit me if I’m wrong, but that just about covers everyone, except the Mormons, it came to pass, they like to marry a dozen or so of them all to one guy. Let’s see, is their any other sect I can insult; maybe later I will think of other groups?” She says. It is clearly a case of who is innocent and who is the law-breaker. As for the sentencing — in the tale I recall the hunter gets the last swing vote in; with his axe. And this tale never says the wolf is anything more than a salivating, creepy cross-dresser.

“My, what a wet nose you have, Granma!”
L’il Red R’ing H’d has surely put things in perspective, as Jack has brought out the scant use of justice in this Shesto dog-water episode.

Readiness in children is protected by law of the land. You want to live in this land? Stick with the laws. Children under the age of 18 are not prey in USA. Go live in the woods of Asia or East Europe for your cheap shot dog-water backwoods self’s. Heck go to Nuevo Laredo. Just stay away from my kids. >pd/yo OCT 30 2007 MPW

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After all, the discussion here is whether or not the punishment fit the crime. You seem to think that a 21 year old man having sex with a 15 year old girl should not be a crime.

I would ask you then, what age would the girl have to be for you to be offended? Would it be OK for an adult man to pursue and a have sex with an eleven year old? Or, an eight year old? At what point would your logic kick in, if at all, and you would think that something is wrong?

Shesto has now been convicted of having sex with two separate 15 year old girls. So, after he was convicted the first time, went through the legal process, we know for a fact that he is aware of the law. Yet, he did the same thing again. This clearly indicates that he is a sexual predator. He is seeking out 15 year old girls and he knows that our society does not approve. These two girls are the ones we know about, the cases where he got caught. Do you think he stopped there? Do you think that he draws the line at 15 year olds?

What is your purpose here, deadtruth? Are you attempting to defend Shesto for some reason or, are you advocating that adults should be granted the right to pursue and have sex with children?

“Doled punishment is always about taking away privileges isn’t it?”

Yeah, yeah you’re right on that. But, let me go back to what you said in your earlier comment; “And if this is his chosen profession, the judge just took away his tools and his career.”

See, I did a little checking around and I’m pretty sure this guy isn’t making a living as a musician. So, to me, it’s like the judge is saying, “You’ve been bad, now you can’t go play rock and roll”. Which, in my opinion, is like telling a school kid; “No more video games until you finish your homework”.

Knowing a little about the recidivism rate amongst sexual predators it seems unlikely that scolding him like one would a child, will make him learn his lesson.

Well, it seems that the cell phone has become a personal version of OnStar. (Pay-phones are being sold off in bulk and will likely disappear completely in a few years.) The thought of being stranded, or otherwise in trouble, is why parents concede to supplying teenagers with what the teenagers mostly see as a super social tool.

Doled punishment is always about taking away privileges isn’t it? I think that public service (making him work) is a much better method (in general.) But then too, I think all prisoners should be working every day.

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I’m not real clear on what you mean by, “to interfere with his personal safety”.

Not having all of the details of this case, it appears to me that the judge is trying to punish the adult party, in a child molestation case, by treating him as a child; taking away privileges. An approach that I’ve found works well on a four year old but seems to make a mockery of the serious charges.

And no cell phone? But he can use a land-line I assume. So what is the point there except to interfere with his personal safety? I don’t know this judge’s record but he botched this case looks like. Creative sentencing can be misused very easily.

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