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	<title>Comments on: See, here&#8217;s the thing about Randy Newman&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Pribek</title>
		<link>http://pribek.net/2008/09/18/see-heres-the-thing-about-randy-newman/comment-page-1/#comment-7234</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a generalization, you can look at song lyrics laying on a page and they just blow as poetry. And, good poetry is usually diminished when set to music. I know that there are exceptions but, the literary guidelines don&#039;t match up with songwriting. Newman gets away with a thing that others don&#039;t. He is his own straight man. I think that he is delighted that one person hearing him describe Clarence Thomas&#039; status as a brother (Pluto isn&#039;t a planet anymore either) and peg him as a limousine liberal where somebody else would hear him say, &quot;we ought to drop the big one now&quot; and assume him right-wing nut. He doesn&#039;t have to own up to any of it. It&#039;s a tough thing to pull off when the medium is the ditty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a generalization, you can look at song lyrics laying on a page and they just blow as poetry. And, good poetry is usually diminished when set to music. I know that there are exceptions but, the literary guidelines don&#8217;t match up with songwriting. Newman gets away with a thing that others don&#8217;t. He is his own straight man. I think that he is delighted that one person hearing him describe Clarence Thomas&#8217; status as a brother (Pluto isn&#8217;t a planet anymore either) and peg him as a limousine liberal where somebody else would hear him say, &#8220;we ought to drop the big one now&#8221; and assume him right-wing nut. He doesn&#8217;t have to own up to any of it. It&#8217;s a tough thing to pull off when the medium is the ditty.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Darnell and Friends</title>
		<link>http://pribek.net/2008/09/18/see-heres-the-thing-about-randy-newman/comment-page-1/#comment-7233</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Darnell and Friends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.borders.co.uk/news/18786703/gallagher-considers-giving-songs-to-winehouse/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[SOURCE] 2008-09-18&lt;/a&gt; Did you see this on that Border&#039;s page you sent us to? This is hilarious... well, I think it is.

&lt;b&gt;Noel Gallagher has admitted that he was thinking about allowing Amy Winehouse to sing some of the &quot;spare&quot; songs he has written, but he does not think that she will live long enough.&lt;/b&gt;

The Oasis songwriter and guitarist says that he has &quot;30-odd&quot; songs left over from recording sessions of the band&#039;s new album Dig Out Your Soul.

He said that he did not know what to do with them all and has considered giving them to another artist to sing.

Speaking to NME magazine, he said: &quot;Well, there&#039;s a few that sound like girls could sing them, but who? Amy Winehouse? She&#039;ll be dead before I write another one.&quot;

However, Gallagher added he had also toyed with the idea of letting Duffy to sing the songs or even allowing them to be used in a film.

He said: &quot;That Duffy&#039;s alright. I could imagine her singing a few of the tracks. But I might put them forward for a film, although I don&#039;t want them to end up in any romantic comedies.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.borders.co.uk/news/18786703/gallagher-considers-giving-songs-to-winehouse/" rel="nofollow">[SOURCE] 2008-09-18</a> Did you see this on that Border&#8217;s page you sent us to? This is hilarious&#8230; well, I think it is.</p>
<p><b>Noel Gallagher has admitted that he was thinking about allowing Amy Winehouse to sing some of the &#8220;spare&#8221; songs he has written, but he does not think that she will live long enough.</b></p>
<p>The Oasis songwriter and guitarist says that he has &#8220;30-odd&#8221; songs left over from recording sessions of the band&#8217;s new album Dig Out Your Soul.</p>
<p>He said that he did not know what to do with them all and has considered giving them to another artist to sing.</p>
<p>Speaking to NME magazine, he said: &#8220;Well, there&#8217;s a few that sound like girls could sing them, but who? Amy Winehouse? She&#8217;ll be dead before I write another one.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, Gallagher added he had also toyed with the idea of letting Duffy to sing the songs or even allowing them to be used in a film.</p>
<p>He said: &#8220;That Duffy&#8217;s alright. I could imagine her singing a few of the tracks. But I might put them forward for a film, although I don&#8217;t want them to end up in any romantic comedies.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Darnell and Friends</title>
		<link>http://pribek.net/2008/09/18/see-heres-the-thing-about-randy-newman/comment-page-1/#comment-7231</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Darnell and Friends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Jack, but you cut me with a knife...  just to make me disappear.... 

and yet here I am: Some say third person &#039;untrustworthy narrator&#039; is mastery for writers. It lends itself to allegory and transcendence of theme and so on... as much as understatement... all good for poetry. My best example is &#039;Metamorphosis&quot; by Kafka?? but he is European. Jack and group, sorry I can&#039;t go into this one without some explanation.

I usually go to Emily Dickinson&#039;s unaltered poems, or Sara Teasdale, or Edna St. Vincent Millary... for getting me going on any sort of dialogue. Like a song that most often is first person, if it can include the third person as in &quot;I said; she said,&quot; as if a narrated story of something that happened; that is my preference. When it is &#039;I said, you said&quot; &quot;or &quot;You have to&quot; second person often sounds like preaching, so I do not enjoy the song so much.

Oh, those poets are all women? American women? Yep, women write better poetry than do men, most of the time. Women have larger vocabularies, and more experience with dialogue in using a larger vocabulary in dialogue. When men finally get to that point I think Carl Jung says it is gender finding the anima of his existence. Anima is the female element in the male unconscious, animus in the female unconscious. (Jung, C G; 1964; &lt;i&gt;Man and his Symbols&lt;/i&gt;).. 

Randy Newman has a unique point of view and it is nice of Jayne/Jack to bring it up for discussion. I was around when &quot;The Lovin&#039; Spoonful&quot; gave me poem poison with lyrics I still have memorized [well, mostly]. &quot;Hot town; summer in the city, back of my neck gettin&#039; burnt and pretty...&quot; imagine it as an anthem growing up in Houston for me.

Example of Sara Teasdale:

 Love Songs
  Life has loveliness to sell,
   All beautiful and splendid things,
  Blue waves whitened on a cliff,
   Soaring fire that sways and sings,
  And children&#039;s faces looking up
  Holding wonder like a cup.
[...] 
Or --
Night Song at Amalfi
  I asked the heaven of stars
   What I should give my love--
  It answered me with silence,
   Silence above.

  I asked the darkened sea
   Down where the fishers go--
  It answered me with silence,
   Silence below.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Jack, but you cut me with a knife&#8230;  just to make me disappear&#8230;. </p>
<p>and yet here I am: Some say third person &#8216;untrustworthy narrator&#8217; is mastery for writers. It lends itself to allegory and transcendence of theme and so on&#8230; as much as understatement&#8230; all good for poetry. My best example is &#8216;Metamorphosis&#8221; by Kafka?? but he is European. Jack and group, sorry I can&#8217;t go into this one without some explanation.</p>
<p>I usually go to Emily Dickinson&#8217;s unaltered poems, or Sara Teasdale, or Edna St. Vincent Millary&#8230; for getting me going on any sort of dialogue. Like a song that most often is first person, if it can include the third person as in &#8220;I said; she said,&#8221; as if a narrated story of something that happened; that is my preference. When it is &#8216;I said, you said&#8221; &#8220;or &#8220;You have to&#8221; second person often sounds like preaching, so I do not enjoy the song so much.</p>
<p>Oh, those poets are all women? American women? Yep, women write better poetry than do men, most of the time. Women have larger vocabularies, and more experience with dialogue in using a larger vocabulary in dialogue. When men finally get to that point I think Carl Jung says it is gender finding the anima of his existence. Anima is the female element in the male unconscious, animus in the female unconscious. (Jung, C G; 1964; <i>Man and his Symbols</i>).. </p>
<p>Randy Newman has a unique point of view and it is nice of Jayne/Jack to bring it up for discussion. I was around when &#8220;The Lovin&#8217; Spoonful&#8221; gave me poem poison with lyrics I still have memorized [well, mostly]. &#8220;Hot town; summer in the city, back of my neck gettin&#8217; burnt and pretty&#8230;&#8221; imagine it as an anthem growing up in Houston for me.</p>
<p>Example of Sara Teasdale:</p>
<p> Love Songs<br />
  Life has loveliness to sell,<br />
   All beautiful and splendid things,<br />
  Blue waves whitened on a cliff,<br />
   Soaring fire that sways and sings,<br />
  And children&#8217;s faces looking up<br />
  Holding wonder like a cup.<br />
[...]<br />
Or &#8211;<br />
Night Song at Amalfi<br />
  I asked the heaven of stars<br />
   What I should give my love&#8211;<br />
  It answered me with silence,<br />
   Silence above.</p>
<p>  I asked the darkened sea<br />
   Down where the fishers go&#8211;<br />
  It answered me with silence,<br />
   Silence below.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayne d'Arcy</title>
		<link>http://pribek.net/2008/09/18/see-heres-the-thing-about-randy-newman/comment-page-1/#comment-7221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayne d'Arcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I started something with my email to you, Jack.  Coolness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I started something with my email to you, Jack.  Coolness!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newman is a gifted poet and every movie could be made just a little better with a catchy Randy Newman theme song.

Proof positive = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmC1UuBdp20</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newman is a gifted poet and every movie could be made just a little better with a catchy Randy Newman theme song.</p>
<p>Proof positive = <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmC1UuBdp20" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmC1UuBdp20</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pribek</title>
		<link>http://pribek.net/2008/09/18/see-heres-the-thing-about-randy-newman/comment-page-1/#comment-7219</link>
		<dc:creator>Pribek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh heh...I hear Zevon scored more than most...Ahem..

But seriously, I heard the Zevon studied with Stravinsky but, I never heard an overt influence there but, yeah I can see the point lyrically. Although, I can see the autobiographical side of his stuff in places where I don&#039;t with Randy Newman. Sometimes that is illusory or persona driven. I don&#039;t think Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die but, I could envision him doing it. I don&#039;t think Warren was gambling in Havana but, I&#039;m sure he went home with a waitress or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh heh&#8230;I hear Zevon scored more than most&#8230;Ahem..</p>
<p>But seriously, I heard the Zevon studied with Stravinsky but, I never heard an overt influence there but, yeah I can see the point lyrically. Although, I can see the autobiographical side of his stuff in places where I don&#8217;t with Randy Newman. Sometimes that is illusory or persona driven. I don&#8217;t think Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die but, I could envision him doing it. I don&#8217;t think Warren was gambling in Havana but, I&#8217;m sure he went home with a waitress or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Sans Direction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sans Direction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a lyricist, I find that Zevon could be in very similar places. But musically, he&#039;s from another time, and yes, the movies, so it makes sense that he scores so much.

Ahem....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a lyricist, I find that Zevon could be in very similar places. But musically, he&#8217;s from another time, and yes, the movies, so it makes sense that he scores so much.</p>
<p>Ahem&#8230;.</p>
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