Friday Night Cage Match/Fondue Party/Evolving Conversation/Dancing About Architecture Vol. 127
February 18, 2011 · Posted in Discussion
Ritchie Blackmore or Tony Iommi?
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If it were just technique, Blackmore is the obvious choice. Iommi did lots of cool stuff though. Sabbath was so heavy– the best adult repellent on the early 70′s shelves. It was so cool to put a Sabbath “War Pigs” on the old console TV record player just to make ‘em cringe. The air raid siren was awesome. Big guitar textures! I learned more from Iommi as a beginner, cuz there were so many things that were easier to pick up and jam on. We used to jam “Children of the Grave” like crazy. I kinda cut my teeth on the Master of Reality & Paranoid albums. Even though Blackmore gave us Smoke on the Water, which everyone had to learn, Iommi provided way more jam material for your basement/garage band dollar. We didn’t care about organ solos either. I remember a period when Sabbath Vol. 4, Purple’s Made in Japan and Cooper’s Billion Dollar Babies were my 3 favorite albums. 1973 – 8th grade.
I’ll go with Iommi just for the sake of teen angst. When it came to a standard for solos, I could always rely on Hendrix, Trower, Schenker & Marino for anything Blackmore might offer. A couple years later, guitar rag writers would often credit Blackmore for Michael Schenker’s contributions. So I began to think of Blackmore as an overrated hobby horse. Then, in an early 90′s GW interview, he said that he couldn’t understand what anyone ever saw in SRV. Same interview, he called EVH “the next Cole Porter”.
Screw the moody bastard. I do dig the live version of “Lazy”, from MIJ though, and in spite of the organ stuff. It has a place in my circuits.
Hahaa! This is giving me goosebumps right now!!! Supernaut from Sabbath Vol 4. This is BADASS!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlW9s_QGyJc
I have to go with Ritchie here, despite myself. I’ve grown into Sabbath — yeah, I know for most people Sabbath is a stage you hit in your youth — but Deep Purple has been a deep and abiding passion for decades now. It seems like Ritchie was an 80s lead guitar player in the 1970s, getting past blues licks into big technique years before anyone else did. I suppose Beck did more so, but I really haven’t studied Beck, and he’s not listed here.
Yeah, Tony downtuned. Yeah heavy heavy yeah yeah. Don’t get me wrong. I smiled ear-to-ear when they had the nerve to use “Iron Man” in the movie Iron Man. Much respect for a man who can lose two fretting fingers and keep on going, and he kept going. From what I’ve heard, Heaven and Hell is a beautiful album that everyone should own. I don’t mean to deny the man props. But Ritchie Blackmore, attitude and all.
BSCKids; Gestalt Mash; Protocult; Terrible Tank; … Just have a “sec” here … wanted to address the “Evolving Conversation” a bit … I felt Mr Strato’s comment was a voice that had been talking in my head so I want to say he hits home on all points … especially that part where BSabbath was a repellent… it made a person “choose” his leanings just by simple act of someone pulling out the album cover .. eh? “Black Sabbath anyone?”
It was like the old weeding out of who at the party is “straight” and others who might be ready to experiment, right? *[adapted from ..."evolving conversation-wise: from the guy named Mark with the hair and bug-eyes that never blink" ...]*
Deep PUrple had less of that sort of dividing presence… everyone could stay at the party and listen to DP.
But that was THEN — and NOW is Everything: that is why I pose “BSCKids; Gestalt Mash; Protocult; and, Terrible Tank;” as a query in the way one judges the past by how the present is faring.
Doing my usual pro-pre-quid adhoc, flaky biskit, cursory colloquial research for you fellow curmudgeons:
* bsc kids = toy fair 2011…
* Gestalt Mash = “A Glorious Waste of Time: Jordan Brady’s I Am Comic · Gestalt Mash, Movies, Reviews | Jimmy Callaway | February 17, 2011″ …
* Protocult = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdApQThOzO8 … 6:20 mins — Comment at youTube: “… “That show was so fucking? awesome. Can’t wait for another and thanks for the vid!?…”
* Terrible Tank = *[not sure of this one... it might be part of World of War Craft... ]* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE03gCwcatw in another realm is the continuing evolving conversation of gamers online thru their XBOX’s using head sets and mics to be on party lines with each other around the world … while playing WoWC… eh?
So, which of the past guitarists have come forward and have influxed the generation now in play … well I have no idea. I think both Lommi and Ritchie will opt out and employ surrogates to go head to head for them in the “Cage Match.”
Then they might call Keefer and ask him to the “Fondue and Ball.” It might be called the “Black Sabbatical and Baths with Romans,” for all I know. It might after all have been an elevator to heaven.
Let the masters speak? Okay: @Supernaut –
“I’m gonna climb up every mountain on the moon
and find the dish that ran away with the spoon …”
“Got no religion, don’t need no friends
Got all I want and I don’t need to pretend
Don’t try to reach me, ’cause I’d tear up your mind
I’ve seen the future and I’ve left it behind “… (Thanks to Mr Stratoblogster’s LINK above)
We are now in the future, and, personally, I feel, well, it has all left me behind.
Winner: Lommi’s surrogate at the end of fifth round, has two lives left to Blackmore’s one.
Gotta Go.
I really liked the first Sabbath album because it was blues based- but I’m probably a bigger Blackmore fan. Deep Purple usually gets passed over when talking about the early metal bands, but I like Hammond B3 with my guitar, thank you very much. “Lazy” is a great tune!